Wikipedia talk:Changing username
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Remove "If you own the global account, please ensure you have included a confirmation link" from bot message at Wikipedia:Changing username/Usurpations
This seems to be a vestige of pre-SUL finalization and has no continuing reason to exist. * Pppery * it has begun... 22:28, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
- Ping Anomie. —k6ka 🍁 (Talk · Contributions) 15:49, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
- Pppery posted the same thing to AnomieBOT's talk page, but I asked if anyone who actually participates in the usurpation process has discussed it. I don't know if the line is really useless, or if it still matters for cases like the third bullet at Wikipedia:Changing username/Guidelines#When usurping is probably appropriate. Anomie⚔ 22:07, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
- @Anomie: I can chime in, as I've done usurpations here before. The message is a relic of the days before SUL finalisation (and in fact even predates the global rename tool, if I remember correctly). A user who owned the SUL for a username would have the claim to that username on every Wikimedia project; however, if there were existing local usernames, those wouldn't be attached to the SUL, and the user with the SUL wouldn't be able to log in with their SUL on that project. If the user with the SUL knew the password for those local usernames, they could attach it to their SUL, and no further process was needed. However, if the user didn't know the password (because the username was created by someone else), they could still make a case to have it usurped by local bureaucrats so they could claim it. We therefore had a process for handling SUL conflicts. This would typically involve the following:
- The owner of the SUL would make an edit to another project with one of their attached accounts to confirm it was them making the usurpation request.
- The owner would file an usurpation request on the English Wikipedia while logged out, and add the link to their confirmation edit to the request.
- A bureaucrat would usurp the conflicting local username so the owner of the SUL could create a local account on the English Wikipedia and attach it to their SUL.
- This process is no longer relevant—since SUL finalisation, there are no more unattached local accounts and no more conflicting usernames. Whenever a user is renamed, the global rename tool will automatically rename all local accounts. The local rename tool (which only renamed local accounts and would break the link to the SUL) is no longer available to bureaucrats, and is only used by stewards in special circumstances. As such, there isn't a case anymore where a user would ever need to file an usurpation request while logged out or make a confirmation edit on another project.As for the bit about "Both accounts are owned by the same person", that's for something different. If the requesting user is trying to usurp one of their own accounts on the English Wikipedia, that message will never appear, since a local account exists; and if the requesting user is trying to usurp an account that doesn't have a local account on the English Wikipedia, their request cannot be processed at WP:CHUU anyways, and must go to Meta. In either case, we may ask the requesting user to log in to the target account and make a confirmation edit so we know it's them. This is mostly to speed the process up so we can approve the request immediately. If the requesting user can't log in to the target account to make the edit, we have to treat it as if they don't own the account, and must go through the process of notifying the target user and waiting. I cannot recall any recent cases where a user who requested to usurp a SUL that didn't have a local account on the English Wikipedia ever claimed to own that account. In most cases, they probably searched for the username on Special:ListUsers (which doesn't show global usernames), thought it was available, and then made their request, when they should've searched on Special:CentralAuth. The message about making a confirmation edit doesn't apply to them and has caused confusion in the past, so it should be removed. —k6ka 🍁 (Talk · Contributions) 02:23, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
- @K6ka:
If the requesting user is trying to usurp one of their own accounts on the English Wikipedia, that message will never appear, since a local account exists
Which message, the bot's message? I see it at Wikipedia:Changing username/Usurpations/Completed/55#Barsik.International → Fuzzy_Barsik and Wikipedia:Changing username/Usurpations/Completed/54#Notacoworcat → 56independent for example, and in both cases it seems to me that it was relevant. Anomie⚔ 11:09, 25 May 2023 (UTC)- @Anomie: Those two cases are interesting; I would've expected those requests to have been made at Meta instead (since their home wikis aren't English Wikipedia). After SUL finalisation, the consensus was that only target usernames whose home wikis were the English Wikipedia could be processed here, with all other requests going to Meta. However, if both accounts belong to the same user and the user can demonstrate their ownership, most of the bureaucracy can be skipped.A better solution might be to update the instructions on WP:CHUU for what to do if both accounts belong to the requesting user, since a good chunk of the usurpation process (target accounts having significant edits, notifying the target user, waiting for a week, etc.) can be ignored if the requesting user can prove they own both accounts. A different template could be used so the bot will handle it differently; checks for contributions, having an email address, being notified, and having accounts on other projects can be skipped. Maybe another renamer might want to chime in with their thoughts? —k6ka 🍁 (Talk · Contributions) 15:52, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
- It seems clear no other renamers are opining. Can this be done please? * Pppery * it has begun... 18:10, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
- Given that the one who did opine seems to find it ok to apply WP:NOTBURO if the user requesting rename can demonstrate ownership of the target account, no, I don't think I'll do this. I will update the text to request that the requestor use the target account to comment here rather than the someone vague "confirmation link" language though. If people do want to start enforcing the "must have enwiki as the home wiki" rule, I'd expect the
|sul-primary=I added to the bot's invocations of {{CUU}} back in 2017 to start being used, at which point I can have the bot just generate that as normal instead of handling "exists but not locally" with a special message. Anomie⚔ 11:56, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
- Given that the one who did opine seems to find it ok to apply WP:NOTBURO if the user requesting rename can demonstrate ownership of the target account, no, I don't think I'll do this. I will update the text to request that the requestor use the target account to comment here rather than the someone vague "confirmation link" language though. If people do want to start enforcing the "must have enwiki as the home wiki" rule, I'd expect the
- It seems clear no other renamers are opining. Can this be done please? * Pppery * it has begun... 18:10, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
- @Anomie: Those two cases are interesting; I would've expected those requests to have been made at Meta instead (since their home wikis aren't English Wikipedia). After SUL finalisation, the consensus was that only target usernames whose home wikis were the English Wikipedia could be processed here, with all other requests going to Meta. However, if both accounts belong to the same user and the user can demonstrate their ownership, most of the bureaucracy can be skipped.A better solution might be to update the instructions on WP:CHUU for what to do if both accounts belong to the requesting user, since a good chunk of the usurpation process (target accounts having significant edits, notifying the target user, waiting for a week, etc.) can be ignored if the requesting user can prove they own both accounts. A different template could be used so the bot will handle it differently; checks for contributions, having an email address, being notified, and having accounts on other projects can be skipped. Maybe another renamer might want to chime in with their thoughts? —k6ka 🍁 (Talk · Contributions) 15:52, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
- @K6ka:
- @Anomie: I can chime in, as I've done usurpations here before. The message is a relic of the days before SUL finalisation (and in fact even predates the global rename tool, if I remember correctly). A user who owned the SUL for a username would have the claim to that username on every Wikimedia project; however, if there were existing local usernames, those wouldn't be attached to the SUL, and the user with the SUL wouldn't be able to log in with their SUL on that project. If the user with the SUL knew the password for those local usernames, they could attach it to their SUL, and no further process was needed. However, if the user didn't know the password (because the username was created by someone else), they could still make a case to have it usurped by local bureaucrats so they could claim it. We therefore had a process for handling SUL conflicts. This would typically involve the following:
- Pppery posted the same thing to AnomieBOT's talk page, but I asked if anyone who actually participates in the usurpation process has discussed it. I don't know if the line is really useless, or if it still matters for cases like the third bullet at Wikipedia:Changing username/Guidelines#When usurping is probably appropriate. Anomie⚔ 22:07, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Village pump (idea lab) § Deprecating Wikipedia:Changing username. HouseBlastertalk 02:58, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
username changing while other username is in queue
How do I change my username while another username is in queue? in the event of someone [me] to accidentally use an uppercase letter instead of a lowercase letter in their username change request, how do I change that uppercase letter to a lowercase letter while the original username change request is still in queue? The non-binary pancake (talk) 12:30, 26 November 2023 (UTC)